tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post8896273375639106926..comments2023-03-25T06:15:39.136-04:00Comments on Down With Decorum: Tolerance is BullshitAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08873968632132804053noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-26467777751761821002012-07-19T13:50:30.721-04:002012-07-19T13:50:30.721-04:00As I said, the exposure to a sex act was purely ac...As I said, the exposure to a sex act was purely accidental - the kids got up in the middle of the night and walked in on some friends who were sleeping on a pull-out couch. I argued, and the judge agreed, that it was no different than kids accidentally walking in on a heterosexual couple. Dominatrix mom didn't work from home.<br /><br />If kids are actively exposed to prostitution, that's something does affect their best interests, and it is admissible evidence.Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-24504442589840459172012-07-19T13:26:54.649-04:002012-07-19T13:26:54.649-04:00I'm literally only thinking of the kids. I don...I'm literally only thinking of the kids. I don't care if adults are prostitutes or pimps (well... I have no love for pimps, but I would rather it all be legal). I'm not judging the parents for what they do with their lives, but for the environment they're exposing their children to.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873968632132804053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-39195198131540079952012-07-19T13:24:21.477-04:002012-07-19T13:24:21.477-04:00Why not?
Is it because you are making unwarranted...Why not?<br /><br />Is it because you are making unwarranted assumptions about how these people parent? Is it possible for even someone who thinks of themselves as liberal to have a knee-jerk reaction that prevents them from judging a situation solely with the best interests of the children in mind?<br /><br />I found it distasteful and immoral for a man in his thirties to impregnate a teenager, and to know that the teenager had few options in life aside from prostitution - but the evidence was that the teen mom had not been capable of parenting, that the child went into hysterics when placed in foster care, and that the father and his family doted on the child and had a strong bond with her. Why should a child suffer because adults have moral issues?<br /><br />Tolerance means that there is one legal standard for all, and it means that rights are not dependent on the approval of others.Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-25608509323539290572012-07-19T13:00:41.956-04:002012-07-19T13:00:41.956-04:00I guess I don't find it very compelling that y...I guess I don't find it very compelling that you fought so hard to make sure kids stayed in those kinds of environments.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873968632132804053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-16485920920949907362012-07-19T12:25:15.318-04:002012-07-19T12:25:15.318-04:00No, that's exactly the sense in which I meant ...No, that's exactly the sense in which I meant it. I can and do expect people to respect the civil rights of others, even if they find may find them repugnant. That's what civil rights are all about. <br /><br />The alternative basically requires society to police the thoughts of others.<br /><br />Let me give you a concrete example:<br /><br />Back in the 1990s, way before the legalization of gay marriage in Canada, I had a number of cases in which the other side attempted to raise issues of "morality". These were messy cases involving people with messy lives. Many of my clients were involving with stripping and/or prostitution. One was accused of being a pimp. One lesbian client had advertised her services as a dominatrix, and her kids had accidentally observed sex acts in her home. Another was involved in an abusive relationship. There were also cases where husband tried to use the wife's previous abortions against her.<br /><br />In all of these cases, I argued that the courts couldn't consider anything other than the best interests of the child, period, and that any evidence of conduct which wasn't directly related to parenting had to be excluded. That meant that all of the evidence of the dominatrix-turned-lesbian's sexual activities went out the window. It also meant that the alleged pimp with the old criminal record for armed robbery got custody of his daughter.Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1856694453682146636.post-16082096509095874602012-07-19T10:49:07.439-04:002012-07-19T10:49:07.439-04:00I see tolerance as what we need when we reach the ...I see tolerance as what we need when we reach the limit of acceptance.<br /><br />Yes, in a liberal world, we may expand our range of what we accept (although we may also limit it in other areas). It's impossible, though, to agree with all people, all of the time.<br /><br />Tolerance is a framework that allows people with different views and characteristics to co-exist in peace, even if they aren't embracing and singing kumbaya. It's not a warm and fuzzy concept. I'd argue, though, that it's an incredibly powerful idea that is sorely needed in the world. <br /><br />Tolerance means that no one gets to kill you or arrest you, just because they don't like your group or your views (as long as you aren't actively planning something violent). It means that while you may not like the outcome of an election, you don't kill voters or stage a revolution. It means that you don't get to force others to follow your views. It means that people from different backgrounds can co-exist - even if they come from groups that have historically killed each other - without violence. It means that we don't make a fetish out of personal preferences and comfort, and tell people that these things don't allow them to deprive others of their rights. It means that gay parents have rights, even if they don't conform the the sexless, traditional, white picket fence image that you see on Modern Family.Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.com